First of all, and this may be somewhat irrelevant, but regarding other types of drugs as a solution to drug addiction, more drugs don’t fix a drug problem just like more debt doesn’t fix a debt problem, obviously. Mood-altering drugs, regardless of class, are the antithesis of the spiritual life. Why is common sense is so lost on us when it comes to addiction and recovery? To make an insane drug addict sane again requires quite the opposite of dissociating from reality.
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It really matters nothing what effect Ibogaine or any other drug may have on your neurochemistry because no drug in history has ever been able to magically restore a man to sanity and lift his obsession to use drugs. Neither has science ever been able to restore a man’s body, enabling him to use normally. Furthermore, psychedelics don’t make you a better person. They cannot restore a person morally and spiritually. Only hard work and consistent right action can do that. And I suspect science and drugs will never solve this one. We are supposed to work for our recovery, especially when you consider how much we have taken.
Even if you receive some temporary clarity and the novelty of that keeps you sober for a while, trust me, it is only a matter of time before your old self smacks you back in the face. It is like building a house on sand. If your foundation hasn’t been laid solid through hard work and sacrifice, your house of cards will blow over when life challenges you and the going gets rough. Sure ibogaine may detox you properly, but then what? Nothing will stop you from wanting to get high once you’re clean… or rather, nothing will stop the mental obsession from randomly smacking you in the face. The fact is that chemical intervention has never made an insane man sane again. Let’s elaborate.
Regarding withdrawal. Withdrawal and pain are GOOD for opiate addicts. We do it to ourselves and we should suffer. This is exactly the problem with mainstream treatment. If you make us comfortable, we have nothing to fear by relapsing again. Does anyone not see the moral the moral hazard? Furthermore, is “wiping the receptors” and restoring the tolerance of an opiate addict really what you want to do? Guess what I’m gonna do when I get home? I’m gonna buy a bag and jammed our of my fucking skull. Lol. Kidding aside, detox is good and necessary, but a man also needs to be restored to sanity, and such a task requires hard work and God.
Another issue I take is this assertion that you somehow discover all the reasons why you started using while you’re touring la-la land. Dead giveaway. Why? Because aside from thinking that a drug-induced hallucination has anything to do with authentic insight and self-awareness, the truth is that there is no reason why alcoholics drink and addicts use. Reasons are just clever excuses to drink and use they way we want to drink and use.
Another claim I continue to read on various forums and just can’t fathom is that it works for life… a claim that apparently can be made before the life claiming it has been completed. Lol. Trust me, you don’t trip out once on psychedelics to grow up into a responsible adult. Just the sound of that is so absurd and infantile, but hey, I guess stranger things have happened.
Easier, softer ways don’t fundamentally change who we are, lift our obsession, restore us to sanity or instill a moral compass. We become better people through consistent right action, day after day, year after year. And since we most certainly have a moral/spiritual problem, the idea of tripping out to change who we are is lost on me, but hey, what the fuck do I know?
Look, I really don’t know too much about ibogaine, but generally speaking, it sounds like a good thing and helps serious opiate addicts detox properly and perhaps gain some insight. The issue I have with the psychedelic community is the lack of action. Since when does simply tripping out make you a better person?
Bottom line: I’ve personally never seen psychedelics fix a drug addict, but hey, if for some reason it works, than that’s wonderful and super duper. Just remember to get off the pink cloud and go help your mom. Also remember that if you go down this road, you are no better for it (yet) and still remain in a rather precarious position as you have still done zero work on yourself… so watch out for the mental obsession when it hits you one day like a ton of bricks.
Finally, the online ibogaine shills and trolls may want to tone it down, as your mentally disturbed demeanor is giving your miracle drug a bad reputation. One of the more ridiculous things I’ve heard is the nonsense I just suffered on some poor mother’s site. Trust me, it would have given you a migraine. These two insane and virtually incoherent ibogaine pumpers just manically accosted this woman’s blog in perfect troll form. They were aggressive, desperate, and abusive.
Two of the more frightening comments were something like, “I’m not in this for the money, I’m just saving addicts’ lives” and “Fine, let your kid die if you want.” Gee, how humble. That sort of grandiose vitriol should have you running. They were most likely the exact same person trolling the blog, but regardless, both of them should be hospitalized for exhibiting the sort of mania and maladaptive victim-complex that characterizes a psychotic break. I read financial blogs frequently and there are always paid shills incessantly pumping or bashing some stock, and trust me, these two lunatics sounded just like them. They were paid pumpers.
Agreed. Stopping the drug use is only the tip of the iceberg.
I'm a Phd- don't have a God complex. I agree with hard spiritual work. I agree that drugs trading for drugs is not an answer. However, my family and I have real bipolar in real life and not the over sold lies on tv. Use and not abuse of lithium and lemictal, along with a very deep spiritual twelve step program allows for deep spiritual healing.
Thank you for writing. I have a very dear friend with actual bipolar, essentially schizoaffective, and this sort of thing, like schizophrenia in many cases, truly necessitates medication. Back when I was misdiagnosed with bipolar, it was clinically accepted that such chemical changes didn't manifest until the later teenage years. Now I have medical professionals telling me that 3-year olds have bipolar et al and need to be medicated to the point of catatonia. I do believe that the great majority of bipolar diagnoses are non-existent, and I also suspect the R&D on 'toddler bipolar & add' is coming out of big pharma. Glad you are doing well and God bless 😉
To be honest, I'm sure I had some degree of chemical imbalance pre-spiritual experience, perhaps even bipolar, as I used to suffer from horrible depression and bouts of mania, albeit drug-induced, but somehow I was restored through spiritual action and meditation alone. Having been restored so suddenly and so thoroughly, I'll admit I came away with some conviction. I learned that God is, and that He can do anything. I also had to throw out many common conceptions of mental illness and chemical imbalance, such as this notion that only the symptoms can be treated but never the fundamental illness or imbalance, as well as the notion that I needed to be medicated for life, which, of course, is just academic BS that I was spoon-fed. I was the guy they said would never be okay without hardcore psychotropics, yet here I am, completely unmedicated and completely okay (although you'll have to check with my wife about the completely okay part 😉 All I do is work hard and put my relationship with God before all else. I take action and I walk through my feelings when I suffer. Sure they are strong at times, but that's the point. They don't need to stop me from doing what I have to do. I accept the way I feel. I don't fight it, and eventually the feelings moves right along. And even if they don't move along, that's okay too. With persistent action and a little fight, I eventually evened out and vanquished all remnants of the depression whatsoever.
You have it less than half right. I did try the conventional method and years of AA and an alcohol problem progressed to years of heroin addiction which led to years on methadone. Ibogaine ended all of that and I have been clean for 11 years now. I agree that there is still plenty of work to do. Ibogaine does some of it and motivates you to do more of it. It is not a cure. It is a helping hand. And the notion that opiate addicts should suffer is sickening. Addicts don't choose addiction. They suffer already for a condition which nobody understands, including usually themselves, and then they are told they are bad people in need of punishment for it. Bullshit. Anything that helps should be used. Conventional treatment options have abysmal success rates. Your criticism of ibogaine reflects an ignorance of the facts.
You have it less than half right. I did try the conventional method and years of AA and an alcohol problem progressed to years of heroin addiction which led to years on methadone. Ibogaine ended all of that and I have been clean for 11 years now. I agree that there is still plenty of work to do. Ibogaine does some of it and motivates you to do more of it. It is not a cure. It is a helping hand. And the notion that opiate addicts should suffer is sickening. Addicts don't choose addiction. They suffer already for a condition which nobody understands, including usually themselves, and then they are told they are bad people in need of punishment for it. Bullshit. Anything that helps should be used. Conventional treatment options have abysmal success rates. Your criticism of ibogaine reflects an ignorance of the facts.
You have it less than half right. I did try the conventional method and years of AA and an alcohol problem progressed to years of heroin addiction which led to years on methadone. Ibogaine ended all of that and I have been clean for 11 years now. I agree that there is still plenty of work to do. Ibogaine does some of it and motivates you to do more of it. It is not a cure. It is a helping hand. And the notion that opiate addicts should suffer is sickening. Addicts don't choose addiction. They suffer already for a condition which nobody understands, including usually themselves, and then they are told they are bad people in need of punishment for it. Bullshit. Anything that helps should be used. Conventional treatment options have abysmal success rates. Your criticism of ibogaine reflects an ignorance of the facts.
You have it less than half right. I did try the conventional method and years of AA and an alcohol problem progressed to years of heroin addiction which led to years on methadone. Ibogaine ended all of that and I have been clean for 11 years now. I agree that there is still plenty of work to do. Ibogaine does some of it and motivates you to do more of it. It is not a cure. It is a helping hand. And the notion that opiate addicts should suffer is sickening. Addicts don't choose addiction. They suffer already for a condition which nobody understands, including usually themselves, and then they are told they are bad people in need of punishment for it. Bullshit. Anything that helps should be used. Conventional treatment options have abysmal success rates. Your criticism of ibogaine reflects an ignorance of the facts.
Thanks for posting twice, and I'm glad you are doing well, although I would question the assertion that you've “done” AA, just as I would question the spiritual condition of anyone who has simply tripped out on some plant. Addicts don't choose addiction? Please. Before addicts become addicts and lose the power of choice, they choose to use over and over and over again until they break themselves. We absolutely choose to become addicts and only lose choice once we've crossed that line, but crossing that line is without question the result of multiple acts of selfishness. Addicts are self-created, my friend. But like I said in the conclusion of the post, if it works, than that is wonderful and God bless you, but you have still done ZERO work on yourself. Oh, and thanks for the compliments! 🙂
You are very full of “knowing”. You must have heard the phrase, “how can you learn anything if you already know everything?” You don't know me. You don't know what work I have done on myself. But as to your point about addicts being self created, I call bullshit again. My addiction was fully formed at the age of eleven when I had my first drink. That decision, to drink that first time, was my choice. But it was a decision made by an eleven year old so we can debate how informed of a decision it could have been. But without question the the thing that made me an addict was simply discovered that day, not created. Maybe you created your addict self, I am open to the possibility. I don't necessarily need to translate my personal experience into the “truth” for everyone, it is simply my experience. But when I share my experience and I hear many others echo similar experiences then I know that parts of it are not unusual. I have heard others express the same sentiment, that whatever it is about them that makes them an addict it is likely something they were born with. Your mentality seems to be that addicts should feel guilty about their situation since it is purely self created, which is itself an attitude perpetuated by the media and the government. It is not true for many (maybe most) addicts.
You are very full of \”knowing\”. You must have heard the phrase, \”how can you learn anything if you already know everything?\” You don't know me. You don't know what work I have done on myself. But as to your point about addicts being self created, I call bullshit again. My addiction was fully formed at the age of eleven when I had my first drink. That decision, to drink that first time, was my choice. But it was a decision made by an eleven year old so we can debate how informed of a decision it could have been. But without question the the thing that made me an addict was simply discovered that day, not created. Maybe you created your addict self, I am open to the possibility. I don't necessarily need to translate my personal experience into the \”truth\” for everyone, it is simply my experience. But when I share my experience and I hear many others echo similar experiences then I know that parts of it are not unusual. I have heard others express the same sentiment, that whatever it is about them that makes them an addict it is likely something they were born with. Your mentality seems to be that addicts should feel guilty about their situation since it is purely self created, which is itself an attitude perpetuated by the media and the government. It is not true for many (maybe most) addicts.
So, uh, why are all of the Ibogaine people angry lunatics? I have a pile of comments that I really can't even post, as you can almost visualize a crazed zombie foaming at the mouth wanting blood. Trust me, if you guys are this damaged and full of rage like 10 years after tripping out, there is definitely something wrong with your program. It's weird, too, like the stuff turns all of you into internet trolls and obsessive Ibogaine shills, like the LSD crowd. Listen, it's simple. Just calm down, stop tripping out, and start taking some unselfish action. Maybe instead of bugging out on the internet you guys could attend to your moms and dads and siblings and friends and all the other people you robbed being a demented addict.
So I noticed you didn't post my latest response before you posted this. I don't know what other posts you have but I certainly did not come across as a “crazed zombie foaming at the mouth”, or at least I wouldn't to a normal person. I guess I was mistaken in thinking your blog was about helping the still suffering addict. Seems you have other motives. Funny too since your post http://www.privilegedaddictwriter.blogspot.com/2014/05/ways-of-telling-your-addict-is-recovered.html doesn't mention anything about propping up a fragile ego or profiting from the suffering of others. I am referring to your making money selling “recovery” as you call it. Well good luck with all that brother. Keep coming back!
So I noticed you didn't post my latest response before you posted this. I don't know what other posts you have but I certainly did not come across as a \”crazed zombie foaming at the mouth\”, or at least I wouldn't to a normal person. I guess I was mistaken in thinking your blog was about helping the still suffering addict. Seems you have other motives. Funny too since your post http://www.privilegedaddictwriter.blogspot.com/2014/05/ways-of-telling-your-addict-is-recovered.html doesn't mention anything about propping up a fragile ego or profiting from the suffering of others. I am referring to your making money selling \”recovery\” as you call it. Well good luck with all that brother. Keep coming back!
As I put my little boy down for a nap, my phone buzzes and it's more of this nonsense, which I'm tempted to delete if it continues, as it is toxic. So fine, maybe you in particular are not a foaming zombie, and I apologize for hurting your feelings, it's just that I can't help but feel like I'm talking to a little kid. I'd love to see where my 'profiting off of recovery and the suffering of others' is? I self-published my book years ago after working on it during free time for more than three years. To this day, I am still thousands of dollars in the red from distribution costs, misprints, editing, supplies, postal costs, you name it. There is no book deal. There is no profit. There is no glory. So clueless. You guys are really too much.
I am genuinely happy that Ibogaine worked for you, although your overall tone is as disconcerting as it is unpleasant. And you're right, I care much more about your families than I do about addicts, because THEY are the ones who suffer, not us opiate addicts who get high all day long, even though you have to whine about going into withdrawal. It's just amazing. This is exactly why I take addiction and recovery so seriously, because of this sort of delusional victim attitude we have. You're not the victim, “brother”, it is your loved ones who are the victims.
The funny thing is so many of you bashers are the ones who “keep comin' back”, mysteriously, which is amusing considering you hate the blog so much. Lol. But kidding aside, I hope you do find some peace in your life. And like I've said many times before, just say the words and I'll stop writing this blog and I'll send you everything I've made from being a writer, which is nothing, so you'll have to just take a free book or something, which I'm happy to send out to you if you can email me your address, once you calm down that is.
ibogaine treatment is the most simple, authentic and amazing way of treating the addict persons
Among many many other benefits, boga has increased my capacity for empathy about 1000-fold. And so I feel for you that you are so angered by the very idea of people being helped by a plant. Much love, blessings, stillness and light to you.
I don't know if it works or not, but I find the idea that the physical suffering is a necessary component a disturbing notion. Also, it is certainly not just the families who suffer, there is plenty of suffering involved in being homeless, marginalized, alienated, hungry, unhygienic, and all the rest. Just some stuff I'd point out. If it does in fact effectively detox someone, which I do not know if it does, I believe that would be a wonderful first step in a more comprehensive treatment. By the way, I think I read somewhere the founder of AA tried LSD. He concluded that it was potentially very effective, but only for those with what he called, using the Freudian term, well-developed “super-egos”. Its an elitist stance, but one I agree with. Psychedelics in general can be quite profound, but only as profound as the people who use them are. The kind of experiences an individual like Aldous Huxley had are not going to be replicated by just anyone. Then again, a very non-profound friend of mine got off cocaine after a couple experiences on 25I-NBOME. He told me it saved his life. So, whatever, if it works, it works. I'm not into this whole “pain is the cleanser” idea. I'm not an addict, but I went through years of depression, self-loathing, and shame and guilt at who I was. After my depression broke, I realized that was stupid. A person needs to love themselves. That, in my opinion, is in many cases a better first step, than “there is a higher power”. Just “I love myself”. Perhaps not all cases, I don't know everything, but I think in many, perhaps even most.
You are afraid of what Ibogaine represents, so you are knocking it.. That's fine.. I know many addicts who have either been in and out of rehab, and did it, or it was their first time trying to knock this habit, and they won… They learned where their addiction started, and they saw how to fix it…. They couldn't lie to themselves, or hide… They had to face this straight on…. Because there wasn't any group rehab session, and because they weren't able to lie, there was no validation of said lie…. So… Those I've known who have done it in the 80s…and those who have done it recently, they got to the core of the issue….. And pulled the root… And most don't even smoke cigarettes again…. So…. It's a teacher plant… A medicine… I know it's hard to wrap your mind around, as we have been conditioned so differently…. But honestly, it works… It has a way higher success rate… And it is not like soboxone or methadone at all…. Not even close…… It shows you what you need to do, that 100sof yYears of therapy could never do…. I hope you open up your mind to this, and see how it's saving lives across the globe….
Finally a somewhat rational comment about ibogaine, not just a bunch of nonsense from one of the angry schills and pumpers wearing a false cloak of love and peace on the outside 😉
Hello everyone, Ibogaine is indeed super ordinary, at first i couldn't just believed about this whole thing called ibogaine till i came in contact and used it personally on my husband then and only then i latter realized and felt so sad that people are really suffering and dying out of ignorance. i want to use this medium to thank just one man called Mr Obi_Akpo as he is fondly called' in spite i wasn't having much money on me, he supplied me some ibogaine' with a good heart and lot of consideration. i believed he might help too for persons out there who really need some through his email: obiakporefinedibogaine@gmail.com.
i have come to realized and support the school of thought who truly believes in this plant because i am a living witness of how it save the life of my Husband who had almost gone insane once again thanks a million time
Christine
USA
Case in point. You really have to wonder about the above incoherent and whacked out ibogaine pumper/spammer. If this is what you guys have representing the cause, you may want to recruit someone else… lol 😉
Lol. the addict persons.
Classic!
Whoever wrote this is a fucking lunatic and knows nothing of plant medicine and furthermore is an AA/NA cultist